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ssri's avatar

Nice compressed history lesson. It seems political, economic, and technological threads are interweaved from the 1500's to the 1880's in ways that are difficult or subtle to unravel and explore as separate influences/ concepts. And given the comments about Germany, Ireland, and later European and non-European growth, we have to keep our wits about us to understand that the mass benefit results you are exploring did not spring up everywhere as rapidly as our modern news cycle and internet exposure might influence our thinking. A lot of social and physical infrastructure (and human and money capital) has to be established to get these things off the ground in a major way.

Having been born in St. Louis, I was surprised to see the USA map for 1820 showing such a concentration of population around that whole area. It seems it was an even earlier and larger springboard for settlers going North and West from there than I had appreciated. I had left the state long before they built the Gateway Arch so maybe I would have learned more details of that historical contribution if I had been local when it was built.

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Per Ober, the classical Greek merchant city states such as Athens were as prosperous as Golden Age Holland with extremely high population densities, and this lasted for centuries. Goldstone suggests Song China and Tokugawa Japan also qualify.

I think Goldstone's term "efflorescence" of notable pre-IR escapes from Malthusian forces captures this better than “progress." Obviously a gray line separates the two concepts, but Goldstone also suggests that fossil fuel energy is the distinguishing factor, with Holland being an especially interesting border case due to peat.

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