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Michael Magoon's avatar

Still waiting for my first taker...

Are there really no brave skeptics of progress, who are willing to debate me?

Or did all of them read the questions, and then suddenly realize that I am correct?

<queue the Jeopardy theme music>

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Warburton Expat's avatar

I do not think anyone can rationally argue that we have not see great material and social progress worldwide over the last two centuries.

From this it does not follow that all aspects have been good. After all, the most prosperous countries often report the worst mental wellbeing, see link below. So that no, material and social progress, as they are generally conceived of in the West, and apparently by you, does not necessarily lead to greater happiness.

Still less does it mean that this material and social progress will continue into the future indefinitely. This is of course why you've excluded the future as part of your "debate". It's a neat dodge of the thrust of what people actually care about, the future. That I am well off today means little to me if I am to be in the shit tomorrow, and that I am in the shit today can be tolerated if I am to be well-off tomorrow. People care more about tomorrow than today or yesterday.

So: what will happen to me and my children tomorrow? What about the billions living in poverty today? You can't dodge that so easily.

Material progress depends on - well, materials. And resources are finite. Rational people believe in progress, religious people believe in Progress! and Science! - "they'll think of something" and "well what about the asteroids?" and "maybe we'll all live to 100 someday" and so on and so forth are not rational statements, but statements of faith.

There's nothing wrong with having faith. But "they'll think of something" is no more nor less rational than "allah is the one true god and -" etc. Public policy and understanding of the world must be based in rational realities, not faith.

https://sapienlabs.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/4th-Annual-Mental-State-of-the-World-Report.pdf

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